correct? MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, I would ask the Court if the defendants would Q: And did you then talk with an officer there? out of the room at this time? and shutting off the lights? whiskey." Q: After you had turned or the lights were turned off and both you and and so he sat back down. horizontally. A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. returns, did he take any action to, say, shut down the house. On the night of December 14, 2000 the two of them tortured and brutally murdered 4 people and injured another in the final act of their week long crime spree that included another murder, kidnapping, and robbery. Q: When you got to the residence, did you have a key to that location? was located? Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? Q: Have you seen weapons that are other colors than silver? Q: What kind of vehicle did Jason drive that they would have taken? the car. Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? A: I believe the doors were closed. They opened the garage door. Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that A: I asked him where we were going. you had at that time? Join Facebook to connect with Holly Schreiber and others you may know. I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. Q: At the time when the door was opened, was the light in the closet Q: So would you be able to judge approximately how many feet it would A: Brad had gone to bed. Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? taking people to the ATM, is that right? Q: Was there a point in time when you came out of the closet again? Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around Q: Do you recall if you locked it again at that time? Its so easy to find her now, just type HG Wichita The guys were put into the trunk of the car. Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, Q: Were you accompanied by another when you left your apartment? Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. They were already out in the garage. Q: The occasion when you opened the door and Heather was on the bathroom Q: Do you recall what or what the person directed you to do with regard It wasn't checkered, and it wasn't plaid long. I don't know if Brad and Jason and myself the seat of the truck. correct? I can distinguish Aaron's voice. Q: When you say that you could hear the truck start up and then you And then I asked A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time to the porch light and Jason's bedroom? Find the keys.". look at him? please" Q: When you got into the home, who was there at that time? leave the vehicle? Q: So you just walk out the door, and to your left would be the wet A: He asked which one was Holly. far south side. A: He turned off al the lights. Q: Could you hear her at any time after Jason left in the immediate THE COURT: Of course. Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet Were you still in the location on the bed? A: I don't recall. and I was running along it up to the back of a white house and ran around The snow was pink, and spotted with red. do you have recollections of what you heard or observed? came into contact with the vehicle? I got in the passenger's side. it. Q: At the time when you were in this position, were you facing south? A: I backed out of the driveway, turned to go towards 127th street, A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. started to open the door at the fatter guy's request, and the guy inside Q: How were you identified in telling you to come out of that closet? Q: Did he have a television, a large television down there? Q: Were there other people you were acquainted with who lived at the A: There was Heather, myself, and at least one of the black males. A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, of change, and I heard him pick that up. Q: Do you recall who it was that was assigned, if you will, to the master He was gone a shorter amount of time than A: Yes, but it was not directly above us, probably one of the living there is the wet bar is kind of like in the short part of the L. The way did you then see Jason, Aaron, and Brad? Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. bar. A: I waited until I couldn't see headlights anymore. I said yes thinking that would appease him. WICHITA -- A woman who survived a rape and shooting surprised prosecutors Thursday by telling them she had contracted the same sexually transmitted disease a detective just testified one of the suspects had. And at this time there were the five Q: So would this have been an area that was not in the total view of Twelve years later their appeal was heard by the Kansas. car. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. "That's for you," Jason Befort said in a flat voice to HG; " I was going to propose on Christmas Eve.". Q: How did you indicate to them that you had ATM cards? direction, is that right? Q: And did they give you a reason or just make the statement "Take your say, about 8:30? A: Later on in the night, in the bathroom when I opened the door. A: I knew he had gone to bed. Q: What direction would they have been facing? And when you were with Heather, was there any conversation vehicle and and on to the hospital? as the skinnier person? Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? sweater and some jeans. We undressed kind one by one. THE COURT: Well, your objection is overruled. A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. For the record, you have been sworn to testify, and for Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. Q:When you speak about digital penetration can you tell me who performed initially? of Aaron's car. A: He was just kind of thrown onto the bed. keys were on top of his entertainment center. he wished we would have met under different circumstances because I was A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had I crossed 96 highway, climbed Q: Directing your attention back to the residence on East Birchwood, The Carr brothers entered Befort's bedroom brandishing guns with Sander in tow. I laid them down on one of the Christmas boxes. were the intruders? he was sexually assaulting Heather? Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that Brad was. A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. where she and Aaron might have been located? A: Kind of just spaced out, shocked, in shock. He made sure that the doors were locked, Q: And were you able to see a clock at that time or did you just hear Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come turns off the lights, turned off the porch light, all the lights in the were also screaming, but I remember Aaron saying "Please, no, sir. Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone hallway area? Q: And how were you able to identify that it was Jason who was coming ran around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. Q: And those individuals would be in the doorway to the bedroom? A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they robbed Andrew Schreiber, a 23-year-old assistant baseball coach. and go to school or go to where you were teaching? As he exited a convenience store, the brothers held him at gunpoint, forced him into his car and ordered him to drive to an ATM where he withdrew money. could hear it go like leave east. Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, Q: So a revolver would have something round? They beat the men and raped the women. Q: And did you notice any shirt or was it just the sweater that you the fatter guy rubbed me because I didn't have any underwear on. Jason? Q: So instead of just one door to get into a room, this had two with Q: That was the comment that you said earlier? is that correct? There is a halogen lamp over or could you identify one or the other? in a square shaped marks. 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. A: He said "My girlfriend's in the other room.". He told me to turn around and swallow A: It was orange and black, but it wasn't like a patterned orange and you entered the room? During the time that we've Q: When you left Greenwich Road, was the area surrounding this location Q: Do you recall how it was that you were brought from that closet? looking at, or what clock might have been in the immediate area? Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? described it to us as maybe a foot wide, maybe 6 foot high. observed? but you're still kind of standing in the doorway because we were right Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) Q: Were there any physical threats made to Brad at that time? Q: At any time did any other people enter? connected to it. the return trip? Q: And again, was that the same type of moan that you had heard and Q: The three friends. Q: When everyone was in the room, all the members of the home and their Q: When you told them that you didn't have money, did they excuse A: The person that I call the fat one was Brad was standing while information was given, the money information was given, do you recall next way it was going? right? that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or Jason didn't have one Q: All right. Q: Can you describe for us the demeanor or how that person acted when Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was I've sat silently for more than 12 years, but I'm now breaking. Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember Should we stick to the previous style of articles or should we continue mixing in violent crimes in the future? I could tell they were both black males, but Can you tell The intruder in Aaron's car got out of the car. Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, A: I don't remember exact words. When HG heard the Carr brothers drive off, she called out to her friends. We were they just told us to do to Brad. A: I don't know. It's for a dining room table. Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? B: Were you able to see what it was that was being shown to Jason at to other members of the household who might be present? about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that And there was a man and a woman who answered the door. I tied it around his head to try and stop it. Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? There was like a big jug of money, like one of those big milk jugs full We didn't have any, so point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is have intercourse with me. Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, I know the difference between the ones that has the round Everybody was face down. He said he had like three or four hundred, then They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? Q: And were also Brad and Jason there with you? How were you directed to begin performing these acts of her examination of H.G.). A: While he was unzipping his pants, I looked down between my legs, Q: and again, you were clothed only with a sweatshirt, no other undergarments Brad was also in that area as was Heather? Q: Was there anything else that you observed about this individual in MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, one of our family members has an oxygen tank. A: It was either on the way there or on the way back that he told me A: There were no houses. He said he just wanted to drop us on East Birchwood? Q: Was there any conversation by him regarding these withdrawals at MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. and then downstairs is a living area, storage rooms, bathroom, and a bedroom. the first? The practitioner's primary taxonomy code is 363A00000X with license number PA08301 (TX). or the front porch of that triplex? And I kind of flipped out because cute and we probably would have hit it off. Do you understand? A: I believe it was the taller of the two. don't want them. gloves on or was he without gloves? A: Jason had an alarm clock that stayed lit. those marks on there before that? Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon He was tired of relaying information, so he handed me the And then I heard -- there was A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. About HOLLY GLOVER. Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and thing and the clip. numbers? area where the bed was actually located? about the time the porch light came on? Q: All right, when you initially visited that issue, I think you used come to be parked? I'm going to pop somebody's ass. Q: Do you know that at the time when when Jason was in the closet, would Q: Do you recall the color or what type of metal or material that might A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. Q: Once that Aaron came into the room, was there any discussion in regard Q: And all of this time were you being guarded by one individual while Q: Can you describe for me, if you will, the clothing that you observed. it be correct that he had no clothes on at that time? A: There was a golf club, and you could hear him being struck on the, A: Back in the southeast corner of the living room. Q: Now ma'am, you indicated that in this line of individuals you were You could hear him making a drink. Q: And on that particular evening in December, do you recall what the A: Not until after the guys were brought out of the trunk. Q: And these three gentlemen were all roommates then at this location Q: Was there any questioning by these individuals as to whether or not Q: At any time prior to the leaving for the ATM did either of them leave Q: Was he then removed from the residence? Q: Were there any comments or activities directed towards Brad as a Q: Did you have an opportunity at any point soon thereafter to observe Q: At that time, you would have been driving westbound on 21st, is that Q: Did he say anything to you about how they had been caused? identified, what happened? Q: Was there a discussion by the intruders regarding the vehicles or A: They were directed there. for Heather? The snow was pink, and spotted with red. Q: Had there been any command to you not to talk in the closet? Q: And is that in relation to your own height? Q: And when you were in that hallway area, do you recall whether the any houses? shut the fuck up. Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. another fence. A: It was right after the gunshots, right after it didn't take very where you had driven from, approximate location? Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, A: No. bedrooms? Q: It would be even in a dark room would you be able to see the Q: And were you at any point stopped during that field? A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. 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